Panic + Leopard

Hooray! Leopard is almost upon us! It's the next great update to Mac OS X, which, to be honest, I'm genuinely excited about, and that you will be probably installing onto your very Mac sometime around exactly 6:04 PM on Friday. Am I rite?

Of course, Panic is all about these things. So, here's a quick Leopard compatibility status update for you!

Here's the big news for today: CandyBar 2, the currently shipping version, actually won't work in Leopard! In fact, it won't even launch, thanks to a (well planned) built-in safety system. But there's some good news from these lemons: the wizards here at Panic and the pixel-pushers over at The Iconfactory are extremely hard at work on the next, major update to CandyBar — that's right, CandyBar 3 is coming soon, and it'll be worth the wait.

CandyBar 3 continues with CandyBar's proven, safe, and easy system icon customization engine: getting a cool trashcan or replacing the new Leopard default folder will be as easy as dragging and dropping. But CandyBar 3 will go even further, with full support for the new mega-sized Leopard icons (up to 512 pixels in size), a number of new Leopard icon types, and significantly more robust icon restoration.

And while we don't normally talk about new features in advance, one piece of CandyBar 3 is just too exciting not to mention. If all goes according to plan, CandyBar 3 will offer the ability to customize some of the look of Leopard's new Dock! Don't quite like the shiny new cyberspace-shelf appearance? Want something a little more opaque? That's what we're here for.

Believe it or not, that's not even the half of it — there are even more secret, shocking features in CandyBar 3 that we'll reveal on launch day. So, any more details? We plan to ship CandyBar 3 before the end of November, and pricing has not yet been determined. Additionally, it's important to note that CandyBar 3 will be Leopard only. (And, while I'm here, this is true for the next planned update to Pixadex, also.) Unregistered users who don't intend to upgrade to Leopard, but want to purchase and use these applications with their current 10.4 system, should purchase right away. In other words, CandyBar 2 will be effectively discontinued upon the release of CandyBar 3.

I think that covers it! Thanks for your patience while we prepare this major update!

The currently shipping version of Transmit, 3.6.1 as of this writing, works mostly great in Leopard — with the exception of one or two surprise issues (one of which is related to editing text files internally) that we discovered late in the Leopard cycle. We're working very hard to fix them as I type this! Keep an eye out for a Transmit 3.6.2 to arrive in the near future, and make sure you're always using the latest version of Transmit for the best possible Leopard experience.

All clear! The currently shipping Coda, 1.0.5, will work great in Leopard. There are a few additional Leopard-related visual and detail tweaks we want to make in the future — including some changes to a certain toolbar — so we'll continue to improve our Leopardness through future point releases. But, for now, things should work just fine.

Also good news: as far as we can determine, Unison 1.8 should work just fine in Leopard. Again, make sure you're using the latest version!

And The Rest
In the best possible news department: Stattoo and Desktastic and Pixadex 2 (remember, Pixadex 3 will be Leopard only) should all generally work fine in Leopard — with no work on our end, no less. And should something pop-up unexpectedly, do let us know, and we'll do what we do.

(Of course, all of this news is somewhat speculative, as we haven't gotten our grubby mitts on the final shipping version of Leopard yet — this is particularly critical in the case of CandyBar, to test and adjust for the many changes that are specific to the final build. Thanks for understanding should things on this list change — we'll definitely stay on top of it!)

And that is that! Enjoy Leopard! And thanks for using Panic brand software!


Hey that's all mostly great news. One question, what about us poor saps that just bought Candybar 2 and have Leopard arriving on Friday? What's the plan for us chumps?
Blogger Julian Moffatt 10/23/2007 5:30 PM  
Great!, does the issue with transmit effect editing a document with transmit? That would really suck
Anonymous Ben Gold 10/23/2007 5:32 PM  
Julian: We generally offer a free upgrade to customers who purchase our software right before major updates (within a specific time period). You should be covered. Full details will be announced when CandyBar 3 is complete. Thanks for your purchase, and sorry you'll have to live without icon changing for a little while.. it'll be worth it!
Blogger Cabel 10/23/2007 5:34 PM  
Ben Gold: The Transmit crash affects Transmit's internal text editor. (I originally accidentally said it was the 'external' editor.) But it's our intention to sneak out Transmit 3.6.2 as soon as possible, so you may never know there was an issue in the first place. :) Thanks for your patience!
Blogger Cabel 10/23/2007 5:37 PM  
Thanks for the honest heads up. This is why I buy Panic software (and Katamari t-shirts). I won't be upgrading to Leopard until all my 3rd party software is all updated, I look forward to the Panic suite updates.

BTW - Sucks that 3rd parties didn't get release versions early through ADC.
Blogger Jeffrey 10/23/2007 6:28 PM  
Alright, I had the same question of Julian (even posted about it).

Thanks for the clarification. I will update my post to reflect that. Perhaps you should add an update to your post too, since everyone reading only it and missing the comments (most of us reading through RSS, for example) will have the same reaction.
Anonymous Bananaranha 10/23/2007 6:37 PM  
I know you said pricing isn't determined yet, but are you guys currently thinking of a cheap(er) upgrade for pre-existing CB an/or Pixadex users?

If not no biggie, as the apps were fairly cheap in the first place too.
Anonymous Andrew 10/23/2007 9:15 PM  
CandyBar 3 sounds like it will be made of awesome.
Anonymous Dan Bruno 10/23/2007 9:20 PM  
Pixadex really seems to have been neglected for a long time, and it doesn't sound from this post that v3 will provide much if anything new other than Leopard compatibility. This program could really use a little TLC. ie: frustrates the hell out of me that I can't change the sort order of icons in the window to show newest icons added to the library 1st, instead of last!).

I'd rather see a v2.1 that adds Leopard compatibility, and reserve v3 for a REAL update and some improvements that take advantage of some of the new abilities and GUI stuff in Leopard. Just my 2ยข ;)
Anonymous Anonymous 10/23/2007 10:26 PM  
For CandyBar 3 will we be able to turn off the extra shadows that the standard Leopard dock adds?
And will it have the option of a 3D dock that's set at the correct angle (a little flatter/less raised?) so that the icons look correct in there?

Yea, I hope Pixadex 3 is more than just adding compatibility for 512x512 icons. What I find I need all the time is if I search for an icon (say for example hard disk) & click on one I can't see what set it comes from (unless it's written in the icon's details).
Blogger Jono 10/24/2007 3:32 AM  
pixadex is a lovely tool but i think it really really needs an option to jump to the collection of an icon when found with the search option. so: search icon, find something, right click menu, "go to this icons collection", done.

once a high number of icons and collections is in there it is really really hard to find the collection if its not explicitly stated in the icon details (usually it isnt..) so this is the main featuer i hope to se ein v3....

so i agree with the above poster that unless v3 will have proper new features other than leopard functionality a 2.1 or 2.5 or something would be better than a v3....can you give us more info on the future of pixadex while we're at it? :)
Anonymous Anonymous 10/24/2007 5:44 AM  
Is your use of 'rite' in your question "Am I rite?" supposed to be a pun? If so, what's the pun?
Anonymous Jeffree Lassitter 10/24/2007 5:55 AM  
Will you also offer support for turning off transparency in the Leopard Menu Bar? That would be great.
Anonymous Anonymous 10/24/2007 6:02 AM  
I would appreciate not killing CandyBar2 when 3 arrives. Some of us have multiple Macs and DON'T intend on upgrading to Leopard on all of them. I always like to keep a Mac with a previous generation OS around for compatibility reasons.

Rather than telling us to buy now, I'd rather wait and see how many apps / utils crumble on Leopard before deciding to buy either version of the CandyBar product.

So, keep both versions of CB around for a couple of months after Leopard arrives, please.
Anonymous Anonymous 10/24/2007 6:07 AM  
actually candybar 2 will launch if its the first time run in 10.5 and while it'll give you a message about unsupported system and the quit button pulsates, it asks you about some icons and if you want to replace them (in that the old and new icon are shown). after this though candybar 2 is like that that pile of mismatched socks you have in the closet. obviously useless to you, but you're reluctant to throw out.
i look forward to v3.
Anonymous Anonymous 10/24/2007 6:50 AM  
aww come on, when is unison going to see some kind of significant update other then just bug fixes?!?!?!

the latest version still does nothing to allow me to turn off those annoying sound effects when i send a message, etc.

i'm starting to regret buying a license for this product.
Blogger jae 10/24/2007 7:38 AM  
oh yeah, the fact that i can't change the text font/colors/etc in unison, esp when i cut and paste, is equally annoying.
Blogger jae 10/24/2007 8:20 AM  

I never thought about the horrible problem with Coverflow and Pre-Giant-Leopard icons. Is Coverflow going to look so ugly in Leopard because of small icons that we never want to use it?

Plus -- it seems that all of our icon collections that we've built over the years are now going to be completely affected. At least, where Coverflow is concerned. I loved to build my own icons! This is terrible.

Anonymous Anonymous 10/24/2007 8:36 AM  
my testing of unison on developer builds has showed that it does not work at all...doesn't connect to servers amd crashes frequently
Anonymous Anonymous 10/24/2007 9:01 AM  
I hope CandyBar 3 will give us a way to make the top menubar fully opaque as well!
Anonymous Chris 10/24/2007 9:07 AM  
Jae: This post is a general exception to our usual rule of being pretty tight-lipped about our development and future releases. As such, I'm not really able to talk about anything else we might be doing.

Rest assured that we're always building, or at least planning, the next steps of our software — it's just that, as a small team, we can only physically do so much at once. Thanks for your patience!
Blogger Cabel 10/24/2007 9:08 AM  
About friggin' time! I purchased Candybar, found out it was totally broken for my needs - emailed support, and got the answer "yeah that doesn't work, we'll fix that sometime" and then the months rolled past, without anybody lifting a finger to fix it. It was a terrible software experience. I shouldn't have made the assumption that Panic would fix it. I just assumed you were reputable developers who wouldn't let stuff stay broken - but that's exactly what you did. Shame.
Anonymous Harvard Irving 10/24/2007 6:38 PM  
Harvard: I'm not sure what issue you're referring to, and I'd very much love to know more. Please drop me a personal e-mail so I can figure out what happened and, if all else fails, issue you a full refund — but hopefully, I'll be able to help instead. Thanks in advance.
Blogger Cabel 10/24/2007 7:03 PM  
Cabel, thanks for the update news! I love both CandyBar & Pixadex and look forward to using them both on Leopard.
Anonymous Anonymous 10/25/2007 1:36 PM  
Good news to hear :)

Just curious, is there going to be an upgrade price for people who own Candybar and Pixadex already? If not, I'm not complaining :) Their full price is less than most upgrade prices anyway.
Anonymous Kaoro 10/26/2007 4:28 AM  
Please, please make it possible to have a static folder icon for the so called Stacks in the dock. Default behavior doesn't look coherent at all.
Anonymous a Martin 10/26/2007 7:28 AM  
A thousand thanks :D
The new dock(s) are so very clumpsy and annyoing compared to the discreete elegance of Tiger's, I can't wait
Blogger emil 10/26/2007 12:20 PM  
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Blogger emil 10/26/2007 12:20 PM  
Hey cabel,

I thought this might interest you...

Today I was fortunate enough to attend a talk given by Keita Takahashi creator of Katamari Damacy. The interesting thing I noted was that he was using a MacBook in combination with Desktastic to do his presentation. He loves to doodle and make funny sketches so I can see how it would suite his style of doing things. He is quite a funny chap. Not at all what I was expecting. Very eccentric.
Blogger David Croeser 10/27/2007 9:33 AM  
Thanks for the info!

Bummer that Transmit's internal text editor causes crashes - aside from, you know, *connecting* to FTP sites with it, that is my most used feature! Looks like I'll have to wait. Darn Apple, waiting for the last minute to release to devs...

One thing I'd *really really* like to see in an update to Stattoo is a "Size" slider, so that I can make the whole thing maybe 1/2 the size. Been a proud owner of Stattoo since day one, and that's the feature that I've constantly clamored for.

Keep up the great work!
Anonymous Justin 10/29/2007 2:28 PM  
I was hoping that I could just get an updated version of Candybar 2.5 that is compatible w/ Leopard that I don't have to pay for. I don't need to change my dock just restore my icons to the nice ones I had in Tiger.
I don't like the cartoonish Leopard one. Oh well
hopefully this will be released well before end of November.
Anonymous Anonymous 10/29/2007 7:39 PM  
Hurrah for a new Candybar. I've been in Leopard only an afternoon and I need nicer folder icons. I don't object to the 'front on' look, just the lack of contrast. Give the damn things some color.

Any news on the number of icon sets that might launch alongside Candybar?

And +1 for the 'stacks' showing the folder icon and a count of the objects within. Piling icons on top is dreadful!
Anonymous Andy Croll 10/31/2007 2:14 AM  
Panic is teh awesome. Thanks guys!
Anonymous Anonymous 10/31/2007 4:48 PM  
Panic (& Cabel, of course) rock my world.

If buying the software and recommending it to my friends isn't enough thanks, here's another word of thanks: Thanks!

Anonymous Sam R 10/31/2007 5:08 PM  
I'm somewhat shocked that you intend to kill-switch my purchase by discontinuing it entirely without support because of my upgrade.

Would Microsoft dare kill Office2003 customers who upgraded to Vista from XP with the quaint advice "purchase the upgrade version of Office 2007"?

That's really not acceptable. Please push out a 2.1 Leopard Compatibility Update, and then let me upgrade to v3 based on its own merits.

You call this "nickel-and-dimeing" in America.
Blogger Kroc Camen 11/01/2007 3:01 PM  
Kroc: Thanks for the feedback. The changes in Leopard and the extra Leopard features we're adding are so extensive that it wasn't really viable to both update CandyBar 2 and create CandyBar 3 at the same time — while we could attempt it, both products would suffer as a result, particularly from a scheduling standpoint.

The Office parallel isn't quite right, as Microsoft Office is not hugely affected by changes in the operating system, so it'll mostly work just fine with an OS update — CandyBar is very much affected by changes in Mac OS X, on a fundamental level.

Anyhow, if you're unhappy about the upgrade path or the fact that you can't use CandyBar 2 in Leopard, I would be very happy to refund your purchase — just drop me an e-mail. Thanks!
Blogger Cabel 11/01/2007 3:08 PM  
@cabel: In all reality I will probably be upgrading anyway. I can understand the compatibility work involved because I am a technical user. As a straight customer though, that doesn't mean anything, and having such short notice and being so blunt about a forced upgrade is unpleasant, considering the near perfect compatibility record with all the software I own otherwise.

I hope that v3 is a /really/ good update. 512 Agua and I will be happy.
Blogger Kroc Camen 11/01/2007 3:32 PM  
I haven't confirmed this to be a Leopard issue, but ever since I did upgrade to Leopard I have been experiencing some very spotty download throughput with Unison. It could be my provider having issues (, but after my 802.1X headaches in Leopard, I'm quick to point the finger.

I'm going to try to test my connection with Unison on my Tiger box and see if there is a noticeable difference.
Blogger Mark Stultz 11/06/2007 3:48 PM  
Cabel: So just to be clear, if I buy Candybar 2 today, will I have to pay an upgrade fee for Candybar 3?
Blogger Scott 11/07/2007 12:47 PM  
...pretty please?
Anonymous BrattyKid 11/07/2007 4:00 PM  
I was at Roxio Toast support forums right now and figured even Roxio, part of Adaptec is working on Leopard compatibility. Imagine their relation with Apple and their size (in $$$,work force). Same goes for other companies like Adobe, MS.

I am not apologising for Apple as some do, I am apologizing for poor developers who couldn't get real early Leopard before users even after they paid very high amount of money just for that privilege.
Anonymous Ilgaz 11/09/2007 9:44 PM  
Anyone know of a planned release date?
Blogger CJ 11/10/2007 2:39 PM  
Every day I check out ... eagerly anticipating Candybar 3!

As an aside: please make it easy to change the NTFS drive icon for Vista (Boot Camp). That'd rock. Thanks! ^_^

I'll keep checking in ... so close! ... I can feel it!
Anonymous Adam Schilling 11/12/2007 10:40 PM  
Anychance Candybar 3 (or another new app!) will offer Leopard dock customizations? There are ways to hack it and some have created little installers but it still all relies on downloading or creating png files, etc. It would be great to control the color, arrows, 2D vs. 3D effects, etc.
Anonymous Paul 11/13/2007 9:53 PM  
Thanks for a great app!
Trying to script Transmit to add comment characters to shell scripts:
tell application "Transmit"
tell front window
name --> .htaccess
selection --> can't get selection...
end tell
end tell
Blogger Gnarlodious 11/14/2007 6:13 AM  
iBought CandyBar a few years ago. Would I be able to just upgrade and have all the same "paid user" features? Or would I have to purchase it all over again, when ever it is that I get Leopard?

Great update though! Can't wait to taste the new candy.
Blogger ikue 11/16/2007 12:10 PM  
stattoo doesnt show my ical events in leopard :(
and i cant adjust the brightness any more...
hope you'll fix that :)

Anonymous Anonymous 11/18/2007 3:41 PM  
same here, stattoo doesnt show my ical events
and cant adjust the brightness
Anonymous Anonymous 11/21/2007 5:23 PM  
An I the only one that gets TOTALLY ANNOYED in Coda that I can search in the CSS code window but NOT in the CSS wysiwyg window, and if I have them side by side, if I select something in the window I cannot search, it selects it in the code window, but if I search in the code window and select it, it does NOT get selected in the window I cannot search (the wysiwyg window)?

This pretty much makes the search completely useless if you use the wysiwyg tools to edit CSS.
Anonymous Brian 11/24/2007 6:49 AM  
First let me say that CandyBar 2 is simply a great app! I've only started using it very recently but I really like it.

Question: is that end of November time frame for CandyBar 3 release still valid? It's already the 26th...

I REALLY loath the default system icons in leopard. I'm hungry for CandyBar 3 please!
Blogger Vitali 11/26/2007 9:01 AM  
Wahoo! Looks awesome! Thanks!

Any word on the NTFS Boot Camp volume icon (for Vista installs)?

Anonymous Adam Schilling 11/27/2007 3:18 PM  
Just upgraded for free from CB2... thanks Panic!!

(I already got leopard, but had not installed it yet... and one of the reasons was CB3!! happyeee..!.!!)
Blogger Lorenzo 11/29/2007 6:29 AM  
stattoo doesnt show my ical events also
Anonymous Anonymous 1/11/2008 8:43 AM  
hm, no ical in my lepoard "powered" stattoo. a fix in the works? cheers.
Anonymous Jaan 3/11/2008 12:46 PM  
Love the App! It can handle everything that I'm looking for except iCal support. Please please please fix! And could you guys possibly add a To Do List?
Anonymous Anonymous 2/20/2009 10:09 AM  
thanks for the great update. I totally enjoy Candybar3 for my work.
Anonymous Kelly 1/16/2010 9:34 AM  

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